Episode 3 | Who Are the Pastors?

Welcome to the third episode of the Ekklesia Podcast! I’m still feeling my way through the newness of this podcast. Thanks for joining me on this journey. In this episode, I interact with Jon Zens’ latest book entitled, Jesus is Family: His Life Together as I talk about pastors in the ekklesia and the detriment that top-down authority structures are to authentic life in the assembly. We seem to be ignoring Jesus’ words, “It shall not be so among you” when it comes to power and control in the institutional church. Zens’ book is one of the best I’ve ever read on the ekklesia. I recommend it without hesitation.

This episode has was originally on my old UnSunday Podcast. I’m shutting that podcast show down and have moved here instead. I think “Ekklesia” is a better reflection of the things I want to say than “UnSunday” was.



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